this congress, but it has to be bipartisan to be successful. >> we saw this week a little with john mccain's town hall meetings and just that -- that this is becoming, and i'm going to talk about gun control a little later, the same way i see the gun control legislation, is that the edge and fervor to let's pass it, let's pass it, has now given way to reality. >> the difference is, and we can talk about this, what the white house is pushing is the gun control legislation, gun violence policy, i think is the term they're using now. but when it comes to imgreg, the big sticking point is not all the bad feelings about whether we should do it or not, the sticking point is border security. a very good point, turns out border security is actually stronger than it's been in places like el paso and san diego. so, we're having that fight about this sticking point when all the bigger, longer term, who gets to the end of the line fights are really the ones which are going to cause the emotion. >> let me just ask you, to gwen's point, when you were at the white house with the president, did he bring up immigration reform? >> we discussed immigration.